This episode is part one of two. What you'll hear is a recording of a live event. The “Fireside Chat” is a staple of Leadership Under Fire leadership development and human performance resident programs. The conversation affords seasoned leaders the opportunity to candidly reflect on leadership lessons and human performance principles resulting from the many wins and losses they’ve experienced. In August of 2022, LUF Senior Man Jim McNamara hosted a conversation with retired FDNY Captain Kevin Bourke and retired FDNY Lieutenant Michael Scotto. Both leaders spent several decades serving and leading in the FDNY. As you'll hear in this episode, the Department--and City--look very different today compared to when they joined the FDNY.