In a limited and specific way, AKA via a Zoom call, the Telegraph's Christopher Hope is joined by two stellar guests: TUC boss Frances O'Grady and former Brexit Minister David Jones.

Frances O'Grady tells Chris how she thinks making workplaces safe is the key to the economy, her thoughts on Keir Starmer as Labour leader, and how she's missing office banter. 

Plus Vice Chair of the ERG, David Jones MP, tells listeners why allegations that the UK would breach international law by overriding parts of the withdrawal agreement are all wrong... It's the EU who is ripping up the rule book. 

NOTE: this episode was recorded before the news that the EU has threatened the UK with legal action.

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