Pat Ehrhardt's grandfather was a Nazi soldier during the Holocaust. Much of Ben's family was killed by the Nazis. They ended up working together last week in Edmonton. Pat was assigned to drive Ben home each night. This bonus podcast was recorded in Pat's car. (It is not a comedy.) They discuss anger issues, violence, the origins of hate, difficult upbringings, music, Germans, karma, forgiveness, and learning to be funny... all while driving through the snow to get milkshakes.