“Making improvements is challenging. But we can't give up and we've got to learn how to do it better.” “Speak, engage, help, be helped. Be part of society. Be an optimist towards the fact that people can change, that people can learn.” John Pepper, P&G’s former CEO, and Ursula Burns, Xerox’s former CEO, sit down for a candid conversation on race, understanding and our discourse with each other. This is a conversation the two longtime friends have been having for years - alongside many of us. This is NOT a Modern Minorities conversation. Did you know Raman actually hosts a THIRD podcast (not about comics)? On “Learnings from Learnings from Leaders: the P&G Alumni Podcast” - Raman and his P&G Alumni pals sit down with top leaders in business about not just their professional experiences, but their purpose, values, and principles.  One such conversation was with John Pepper & Ursula Burns on race and understanding. John Pepper is one of the most celebrated P&G Alums - the company’s former CEO & Chairman from the turn of the century (and later Chairman of the Walt Disney Company), and Ursula Burns, Xerox’s former CEO. John is known as one of the great people focused leaders, a great philanthropist in his own right, and someone Raman has come to call a friend (an unexpected perk of their many podcast chats). A close friend of John’s is Ursula Burns, the former CEO of Xerox - and one of the first Black Female CEOs. What results is a powerful conversation from early 2022 that covers a topic we float around the edges of on Modern Minorities from a more personal level. But having the discussion at such a macro level by two of business' great leaders was full of lots of great...learnings. LEARN MORE John Pepper: https://pepperspectives.blogspot.com/ Ursula Burns: https://hbr.org/2021/07/im-here-because-im-as-good-as-you pgalums.com/podcast https://apple.co/2L85TsT // https://spoti.fi/2zkhrXg This episode is sponsored by the Department of Health & Human Services, who’s encouraging you and your community to make sure you’ve got the latest COVID-19 Vaccines. We can do this, together. Find the latest vaccines near you @ VACCINES.gov Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices