John’s guest is world renowned drummer, educator and author, John Riley. John talks about his 30 plus years as the drummer with the legendary Vanguard Jazz Orchestra, his early studies with Joe Morello, and his long association with Manhattan School of Music. They also do a deep dive into John’s new book, “The Master Drummer” and his previous best selling books “Art of Bop Drumming” and “Beyond Bop Drumming” which are considered classic and essential drumming resources. John also relates the incredible story of his audition for Frank Zappa and much more.