In 2019, ahead of his visit to Cardiff where he led workshops at the Llandaff and Monmouth Festival of Prayer, Roy Jenkins met member of the Iona Community, the Rev John Bell. A prolific writer, preacher and broadcaster who’s passionate about social justice and not afraid to say what he thinks, John has often been described as a ‘John the Baptist’ like figure. He’s spent a lifetime devoted to the ministry of music in particular, working to “renew congregational worship” in the church at “the grass roots” – and to that end he’s produced an ever-growing list of hymns which have been taken up around the world, many of them with a distinctly Scottish melodic flavour. Roy Jenkins talked to him about his life, work , and passions. This programme was first broadcast in 2019.