British professional triathletes and training partners Joe Skipper and Sam Proctor join us in conversation this week. There's plenty of banter and chat as we cover all things training, recovery, data, balance, teamwork, emotions and Michael Phelps. The banter starts right away.

You'll hear:

19:35 How they met

20:37 What it's really like training with Joe "There's a lot of tempo isn't there?!" 'Joe's philosophy in life is how many people can I kill through training' Sam says. "But I enjoy it and because we are different, we compliment each other well. There are some laughs, some good coffee breaks. We have a really good time."

24:05 Self coached Vs Having a coach. Joe has been mainly self coached while Sam prefers to have a coach and has been working with Mark Pearce for over 5 years.

32:30 'I cant fault Joe, Joe is a really good friend and he has always helped me and supported me.'

34:40 We talk about Joe wearing his heart on his sleeve and he admits he probably is one of the most emotional athletes out there. 'When you cross the line, the mixture of fatigue that just wears you down gets me really emotional and it happens a lot, especially when I have had a big race and I have had to push so hard. It really grinds you down. I'm not an emotional person at all in normal every day life.'' Sam says: "People don't realise Joe can go into this place where others would pull the pin. He can push through that and I think that's why the emotion comes out."

52:22 Joe's mental strength and why it makes a huge difference across the Ironman distance. 'he is thinking so hard, and doing so well. He is in an 8 hour race and he is always on it and that's what makes him once of the best athletes. It's always your mind that gives up before your body.' Sam says.

54:40 Analysing data and why Joe doesn't spend much time on training peaks. 'I never look at my training on Training Peaks. It uploads onto there, but I don't do anything with it.'

57:00 Why Sam reckons Joe could be like Michael Phelps in the pool.

57:30 Joe's hopes to do some training with Lionel Sanders and Sam Long.

1:00:10 Joe's thoughts on why the Ironman World Championships should rotate away from Kona. "it's a massive boost for me in St George as it will be a lot cooler than Kona. I think the course for me is a lot better than Hawaii. I will have a lot better chance in St George. It will be my best chance so far.

1:02:15 I wouldn't care who I was beating to become World Champion. But Jan Frodeno would be one person I would love to beat to become World Champion, because of the reputation he has and it would give it a lot more credibility if you beat him to become World Champion.

1:06:10 Sam's hopes to get back on the start line of an Ironman soon

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