Today I talked to Jerry Pannone about his new book Survive: Why We Do What We Do (John Hunt, 2022) Abraham Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs model is famous, but more so the 5-layer model than the 8-layer model he eventually arrived at. Why the later addition of knowledge and understanding, aesthetics and transcendence as needs in Maslow’s model? The answer is that balanced out the 4 of the 5 original needs more focused on overcoming deficiencies, with four needs focused on personal growth. Indeed, a 2011, 163-country survey conducted in 2011, after Maslow’s death, concluded that respect was vital. As today’s guest suggests, the reason may be that respect encompasses both our need to have our career achievements be appreciated, and our selfhood to be valued as well. With gaining respect, the two strands of what we have done and who we are can triumphantly come together. Jerry Pannone has had a long career in music, as an artist, composer as well as in teaching music in the San Francisco Bay area. At the Ruth Asawa School of the Arts, Jerry taught courses in music, ethics and critical thinking. Dan Hill, PhD, is the author of ten books and leads Sensory Logic, Inc. (https://www.sensorylogic.com). His latest two books are Blah Blah Blah: A Snarky Guide to Office Lingo and Emotionomics 2.0: The Emotional Dynamics Underlying Key Business Goals. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/psychology