As mask mandates and vaccine requirements go away and life starts to look similar to the way it did in February 2020, Andy talks with world-renowned virologist David Ho, who says his career has been defined by two pandemics: HIV/AIDS and COVID-19. David tells Andy what he makes of people relaxing their precautions, how long he thinks COVID will remain problematic for us as a society, and what future vaccines and therapies could look like. Plus, David recounts his decades researching HIV/AIDS, which led to him being named TIME Magazine's Person of the Year in 1996.

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Check out these resources from today’s episode: 

• Read more about Hawaii’s decision to end their universal indoor mask mandate, the 50th and final state to do so: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/08/world/covid-19-mandates-cases-vaccine/hawaii-will-drop-its-mask-mandate-the-last-state-to-do-so
• Check out the issue of TIME Magazine from 1996 in which David was named “Man of the Year”: https://time.com/vault/issue/1996-12-30/page/1/
• Read more about the study David co-authored about vaccine and antibody treatment effectiveness in the three Omicron subvariants: https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/vaccine-and-antibody-treatment-effectiveness-blunted-all-three-omicron-subvariants
• Order free at-home COVID-19 tests through the USPS: https://special.usps.com/testkits
• Find a COVID-19 vaccine site near you: https://www.vaccines.gov/ 
• Order Andy’s book, Preventable: The Inside Story of How Leadership Failures, Politics, and Selfishness Doomed the U.S. Coronavirus Response: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250770165 

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