“It’s unacceptable for a member who was a veteran and he was a former president, to have started a new political party. Of course he knew that he was violating the ANC’s rules” – Snuki Zikalala, president of the ANC’s Veterans League The relationship between South Africa’s African National Congress and its former president Jacob Zuma appears to have come to an end. Zuma was officially expelled by the party last month, following a disciplinary hearing. It comes after he established Umkhonto Wesizwe Party, which claimed almost 15% of the vote at this year's national election. On Thursday, the ANC’s Secretary General Fikile Mbalula reiterated that Zuma’s matter had now been finalized and that he was no longer the party’s member. Although it’s not clear if Zuma will appeal, he earlier insisted that this was far from over. Zuma is a popular but also controversial figure who’s known for staging sensational political comebacks. Alan Kasujja sits down with two ANC veterans Tony Yengeni, who represented Zuma at his disciplinary hearing as well as Snuki Zikalala, a critic of Zuma’s. To unpack all these political developments, Alan hears from Professor Daryl Glaser from Wits University in Johannesburg.