After a confident start to Joe’s attempt of making Patrick his friend, discussion turns to the various things a new manager can change at a club. Having recently gone through the experience with Daniel Farke at Leeds, Pat reveals the rules the German gaffer has brought in, how Sam Allardyce chose to communicate with the squad and how well a team would cope if the players were left to rule on their own.

[This episode was originally released on 23/11/2023. Find the full My Mate’s a Footballer boxset on BBC Sounds – www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0grxpyk?page=2]