This week, head of ASIO Mike Burgess, revealed a former Australian politician had been recruited by an international spy ring. And yesterday, the first person to be found guilty under Australia's foreign interference laws, was handed a prison sentence for cultivating a relationship with a cabinet minister on behalf of the Chinese government.

So, how real a threat is foreign interference to the country's security and intelligence relationships?

Guest: John Coyne, Head of Strategic Policing and Law Enforcement at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute