Welcome to another exciting episode of Between The Before and After! I'm your host, Jonathan McLernon, and today we have a very special show for you. Joining us are Bill Pardue and his son Joe Pardue, the dynamic duo behind the inspiring book "Wolf Creek."

In this captivating episode, we dive into a firsthand account of Bill's coming-of-age experience as a wilderness camp counselor for juvenile offenders. From animal studies to empowering young adults, we'll explore Bill's incredible journey and how it molded him into the man he is today.

We'll also hear from Joe, who helped his dad edit and publish the book, about his eye-opening perspective on the entire process, from the first draft to seeing it come to life in print.

Throughout our chat, we'll be discussing the importance of trauma for growth and development and how Bill's unique approach to counseling has transformed the lives of countless young men. From reflecting on the moments that helped these boys find direction in life - to discussing the significance of being a dependable rock when life gets tough.

So don't go anywhere, and tune in as we hear from Bill and Joe Pardue about their unforgettable adventure in the wilderness with juvenile offenders, and how they turned it into a must-read book.