What is If Not For Them? Executive producer Brenda VanLengen joins host Natalie Heavren to discuss the upcoming 10-part docuseries and the hour-long sneak preview that premiered at the 2023 Final Four. The pair discuss everything from how Brenda got the idea to what the research process was like and some of her favorite moments and stories along the way. 

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