Rebecca Pow, The Environment Minister, joins Christopher "Chopper" Hope to explain why on earth she's asking us to befriend an insect, explains how she's working on cleaning up our rivers (and not just for wild swimming) and reveals why she takes a leaf out of Prince Charles' book and talks to her plants.
Also on the podcast, head of the English Football League, Rick Parry, on the role the beautiful game can play in the government's levelling up agenda.
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