It's an action packed episode of That's What She Said. Sarah talks to Herminia Ibarra, an organizational behavior professor, about the three phases of making a major life change. Then she chats with Dr. Katy Milkman, an economist, about the importance of committing to the small steps and having a plan to tackle a big life goal. And finally Sarah talks to three of her friends who made or are in the process of making big career leaps. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices