Sarah-Jane Mee is joined by Sir David Nicholson, who used to run the NHS in England, as they explore ‘How to fix the NHS’ - a new mini podcast series for 2024 from the Sky News Daily. On this week’s final episode, Sarah-Jane and Sir David look at the work going on in public health – which spans everything from preventing disease to giving people the tools and information to make healthier lifestyle choices. They’re joined by Greg Fell, who’s director of public health in Sheffield and chair of the Association of Directors of Public Health, as they discuss areas including the ‘nanny state’ debate around tobacco and calories on menus, and why he thinks primary care provision needs some “bravery”. Senior podcast producer: Annie Joyce Interviews producer: Melissa Tutesigensi-Charles Health producer: Mark Thompson Editor: Paul Stanworth