The term Renaissance man doesn’t do Baratunde Thurston justice. He’s an Emmy-nominated host who’s worked at The Onion and The Daily Show, advised the Obama White House, and wrote the New York Times bestseller How To Be Black. “Everything we know is becoming something we don’t know—constantly.” -Baratunde Thurston Currently, he’s the creator and host of one of Apple’s favorite podcasts of 2020, “How to Citizen with Baratunde,” he hosts the new PBS show, America Outdoors, and he’s a founding partner of the new media startup Puck where he just wrote the incredibly thoughtful piece “Will Smith’s Tragic Lesson.” Thurston understands what’s happening now and where we’re heading in a very, very rare way. Even rarer, you’re going to come away from this conversation without a sense of doom, but with an earned optimism that’s worth strengthening by, in his words, “citizening.”