After an extensively meandering conversation, Dave and Chris construct historical fiction describing how humans could possibly come to eat a sea cucumber or accidentally make cheese for the first time. How does something so weird or stinky or strange become a delicacy? How does something that on the face of it is relatively worthless become of value? Other topics include the proper way to eat a burger, a depressing turkey club sandwich, Ta Nahisi-Coates’ ‘Black Panther’ run, ‘Armageddon’ vs. ‘Deep Impact,’ the fabled Momofuku bullshit book club, and guessing the Noma Kyoto menu. Hosts: Dave Chang and Chris Ying Producers: Sasha Ashall, Aleya Zenieris, and Gabi Marler Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices