Environmental groups such as the World Wildlife Fund and the Australian Conservation Foundation are some of the biggest recipients of donations from Australians who want to make a difference for the planet. But increasingly the biggest groups are working with the government and corporate Australia – instead of resisting them. What does that shift mean? Will it help or hinder the fight against climate change? And what does it mean for the future of environmentalism? Today, writer and contributor to The Saturday Paper Ben Abbatangelo on why the environmental movement is divided – at a time when we need it most. Socials: Stay in touch with us on Twitter and Instagram Guest: Writer and contributor to The Saturday Paper Ben Abbatangelo and former leader of the Australian Greens, Christine Milne.