Decided to make this free, it's the first of our many bonus episodes up on the patreon, where we'll focus on interviewing experts, journalists, and well-connected individuals. Toby Muse is a journalist who has covered the drug war in Colombia for more than 15 years. We talk about the time he tried to get me killed in Medellin, the acceptance of gay men in the hyper masculine world of cartel members, and the one cartel boss who makes Pablo Escobar look weak. Subscribe on patreon.com/TheUnderworldPodcast for more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices