In one of their patented specials, Michael and Ethan discuss formal poetry—why is it? How is it?

Poems discussed:

“If We Must Die,” by Claude McKay

“Sestina of the Tramp-Royal,” by Rudyard Kipling

“On Claude McKay’s ‘If We Must Die,’” by Tonya Foster

In this episode:

The hosts are ANCIENT

We only do one cool thing on this podcast

Discussion of definitions, speaking of cool

To be clear, Ethan is trying to say he taught the sonnet wrong the first time he did it

Ethan tried for literally dozens of minutes to find the origin of the “One man’s terrorist” phrase, and Google had nothing. If you know it, go ahead and let us know and we will… be really grateful

Michael means “aleph,” which to be fair, seems very close to the Greek letter “alpha”

Sestinas probably make sense to somebody

Some very slight (a lot of) Kipling ambivalence

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"Kessy Swings Endless - (ID 349)" by Lobo Loco. Used by permission.

"The Grim Reaper - II Presto" by Aitua. Used under an Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike License.

"Thinking It Over" by Lee Rosevere. Used under an Attribution License.