Amy is joined by guest Jenny DeGraaff to discuss For the Love of Men by Elizabeth Plank. Topics include toxic masculinity, testosterone, men’s mental health, the pressure to provide, and what it means to be a real man.

Jenny DeGraaff was raised in West Virginia and Nebraska, but currently lives in the Bay Area, California, where she teaches science in elementary school. She earned her Bachelor’s degree in German from Duke University and her Master’s degree in education from Stanford University, where she focused on culture in bilingual education programs. She and her husband have three sons, one in high school and two in college. She enjoys hiking with her dog, taking road trips with her family, and, as part of self-care, watching animal videos. She is honored and thrilled to be a part of this remarkable podcast.