This week, Gaby investigates the controversial FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) movement. They are joined by Tanja Hester, author of Work Optional: Retire Early the Non-Penny-Pinching Way, to discuss who the FIRE movement works for and what sacrifices it requires. Can someone without starter money or a large income really ethically retire early? Then, Gaby talks to FIRE skeptic Michelle Jackson, of the "Michelle is Money Hungry" podcast, about making FIRE realistic and accessible for anyone other than white, straight, cis finance bros. For a transcript of the show visit: bit.ly/BWMS9E4Transcript Vox article: https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2020/3/18/21182018/financial-independence-retire-early-fire-early-retirement-mr-money-mustache-pete-adeney Michelle's article: https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/why-ditched-traditional-fire-movement-2021-6 Gaby Dunn Instagram: @GabyRoad BWM Instagram: @bwmpod BWM Facebook group: http://tinyurl.com/badwithmoneyfb The BWM Discord channel: https://discord.gg/dAdxj4JMER Find Gaby on Patreon: patreon.com/gabydunn Shop gabydunn.com/shop for merch! Follow Tanja Hester on Instagram and Twitter: @Our_NextLife Learn more about Michelle Jackson at MichelleIsMoneyHungry.com Bad with Money is produced and edited by Lindsey Floyd. It is sound engineered and mixed by Lindsey Floyd. The Executive Producer is Lindsey Floyd. The theme song was performed by Sam Barbara and written by Myq Kaplan, Zach Sherwin, and Jack Dolgen. Additional music by Joey Salvia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy