For this episode, Carrie and Jake talk about one of Carrie's favorite books: A.S. King's 'Everybody Sees The Ants'. Spoilers abound, so we recommend reading the book before listening!

We also talk about being taken to see the Vagina Monologues by your knitting group, plus the nostril size of horses, and one weird screenwriting trick that is guaranteed to get Jake to cry during the first five minutes of a movie.

There's also some discussion of bullying, sexual assault, and suicide, which may be a bit intense in parts, so be aware of that.

In the next episode, we'll be discussing 'Plain Kate' by Erin Bow.

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