Amanda and Sarah welcome guest Stacey, a ceramicist and former magician's assistant with a few spooky tricks up her sleeve. She reveals how she went from an illusion-filled life on the road to making beautiful, handcrafted ceramics, including altar items, through her Etsy business Sullen Whimsy. There's also Dungeons and Dragons, paranormal encounters, and a true-crime surprise. Other subjects covered include confusing Joaquin Phoenix movies, doing ballet to Fiona Apple, and RPG campaigning with lazy bards.

Recommendations:

Stacey recommends the Netflix series The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance and the 1967 stop-motion animated Rankin-Bass film Mad Monster Party.

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