We're joined by a pair of skippers this week as legendary former Springboks captain John Smit fills us in on the situation with Covid-19 in South Africa, the latest positive case in camp and how the Boks are shaping up aside from that. He also takes a trip down memory lane to talk captaining the Springboks to victory against the Lions in 2009 and tells us what chance the current crop have of repeating that feat. And, we're joined by new England captain Lewis Ludlow to talk about skippering on debut, learning leadership lessons from Big Jim, life in camp and capping off a hell of a season for him in style! All that plus a look at how British & Irish Lions selection is looking ahead of the Tests and a round-up of all the international action from the weekend Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices