Jean-Xavier de Lestrade is a French documentary filmmaker. He directed Murder on a Sunday Morning and The Staircase. “The courtroom in the United States is not really about the truth. It’s more about a story against another story. It’s more about storytelling. The more compelling or believable story by the jury will win. But in the end, we don’t know: is it the truth or not?” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, and We Love You (and So Can You) for sponsoring this week's episode. [00:05] We Love You (And So Can You) [01:00] You Can’t Make This Up [02:16] The Staircase (2004) [02:50] The Staircase II: The Last Chance (2013) [02:53] The Staircase (2018) [05:15] Murder on a Sunday Morning (2001) [05:35] The Justice of the Men (2001) [11:35] Caught in the Acts (Raymond Depardon • 1994) [12:05] Law and Order (Frederick Wiseman • 1969) [12:12] Welfare(Frederick Wiseman • 1975) [12:16] Public Housing (Frederick Wiseman • 1997) [25:23] Making a Murderer (Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos • 2015) [25:25] The Jinx (Andrew Jarecki • 2015) [25:27] The Keepers (Ryan White • 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices