Pssst. Want some free energy? 

who doesn't want an unlimited supply of energy? no one, that's who!

today we're talking about how to use a black hole to turn everyday objects (like garbage and ducks) into sweet, sweet energy.

our guest is Kai Nagata, and the physicists are Laura Hainline and Mike Zemcov.

three things to note:

1) listen past the end credits to hear a long-ass conversation about whether having free energy is a good thing. 

2) Kai's internet connection was lousy and kept dropping out. so today's episode is less conversational than we are used to. we had to fix it in editing.

3) speaking of editing, the bulk of this episode's edits were done by a gentleman named John Heath. John made our horrible skype recording sound so good. If you meet John on the street, please give him all the money in your pockets. you know, from me.