Both Carl and Nick are supporters of undefeated teams. But how long will that last?

Diving into the undefeated, which of these teams will be the first to lose? It can't be the Avalanche or Red Wings, can it?

And what about the yet to be victorious? Which of the winless teams are most primed for a bounce back? Can we eliminate from the playoffs already?

What impact have the new rule changes had on games so far? Are coaches challenges used differently this year? Does picking the side on icing really matter?

Carl plays a round of "For or Against" starring such things as the Toronto Maple Leafs, Drew Doughty and Gary Bettman.

Also, a trade breaks mid show! Vladislav Namestnikov is off to Ottawa. But why?

With Dustin Byfuglien still away from the Winnipeg Jets, when will he return and what can the Jets do to fix their defense?

All this and more on episode 251 of the 4th Line Hockey Podcast!

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