In this episode we talk about the scale that permaculture needs to get to get to in order to shift the planetary situation. This episode is different from previous ones, because the interview is conducted by a guest, Andrew Toth, and Andrew Millison is the one being interviewed. Andrew weaves the story of how he found himself teaching permaculture in a major state university, and how that has lead to his current work, documenting the massive scale water harvesting landscapes of India. The episode weaves through many topics, both personal and planetary. Andrew Millison Links: https://www.youtube.com/user/amillison www.permaculturerising.com https://agsci.oregonstate.edu/users/andrew-millison https://workspace.oregonstate.edu/course/permaculture-design-certificate-online?hsLang=en India's Water Revolution Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNdMkGYdEqOCgePyiAyBT0sh7zlr7xhz3 Andrew Toth Link: gardenringcities.com Andrew Millison detailed bio: Andrew Millison has been studying, teaching and practicing Permaculture since he took his first design course in 1996. He started teaching Permaculture at the college level in 2001, and has been an instructor at OSU in the Horticulture Department since 2009. Andrew first learned Permaculture in the drylands, where he studied at Prescott College for his undergraduate and Master's degrees. In Arizona, his focus was on rainwater harvesting, greywater systems, and desert agriculture. He started a Permaculture landscape design and build company, and also worked in an ecologically-based Landscape Architecture firm. In recent years, Andrew's focus has been more on design for climate change resilience, broad scale water management for farm and development planning, Permaculture housing developments, and Oregon water law for obtaining water rights. Andrew brings his rich experience of designing and building his own and clients' projects for over 20 years to his teaching, and seeks to impart real world experience to his students. Andrew has developed a successful online Permaculture program through OSU and in recent years moved into media production, traveling internationally to film and produce educational content focussed on permaculture-based food and water systems.