A prolific wellness discovery in the TSR Universe has been made in the form of physiotherapist, Cliff Matsuno. A healer in every sense of the word, he sits down with Steph and Elizabeth, sharing his naturalist POV (where science meets humanism), and discusses his findings on how minimizing stress and maximizing awareness aids in overall health and wellbeing. Roses and Thorns is on theme with a hot list of some of E and S's favorite healers that they are currently working with on the regular.