Fine Gael TD John Paul Phelan says now is the wrong time to talk about Enda Kenny's leadership but suggests when the right time to talk about it will be. Meanwhile, Fianna Fáil TD Lisa Chambers says a change in FG leadership may have bad implications for the FF-FG deal, particularly if a certain individual gets the top job. The two TDs, Irish Times political Editor Stephen Collins and host Pat Leahy also discuss Ireland's tricky Brexit balancing act, forging a budget in the cooperative smithy of New Politics, and whether the minority government can handle union pay demands without disintegrating.