ENCORE: Something's afoot. There is, yet again, another controversial preclovis find. This time, away from the West Coast and in New Mexico. The controversy surrounds human footprints found in White Sands National Park that are dated between 23 and 21 kya. To discuss these possible pre-Clovis footprints, we invited Dr. Jesse Tune and Dr. Shane Miller on the show to contextualize the data. We begin with an open discussion about the recent published report and try to understand what the researches found at the site. We then chat about their controversy, how it's hit the mainstream media, and what the ramifications of the repaint are for archaeology. The conversation then turns into a open dialogue about scientific biases, as well as the role of Indigenous oral traditions and their incorporation into scientific theories. If you have left a review of the podcast on iTunes or Spotify, please email us at alifeinruinspodcast@gmail.com so we can get shipping information to send you a sticker. If you are listening to this episode on the "Archaeology Podcast Network All Shows Feed," please consider subscribing to the "A Life in Ruins Podcast" channel to support our show. Listening to and downloading our episodes on the A Life in Ruins channel helps our podcast grow. So please, subscribe to the A Life in Ruins Podcast, hosted by the Archaeology Podcast Network, on whichever platform you are using to listen to us on the "All Shows Feed." Support our show by following our channel. Interested in sponsoring this show or podcast ads for your business? Zencastr makes it really easy! Click this message for more info. [https://zen.ai/thearchaeologyshow] Start your own podcast with Zencastr and get 30% off your first three months with code RUINS. Click this message for more information. [https://zencastr.com/pricing?coupon=RUINS&fpr=3tym6] Literature recommendations * 2020, Bennett et al., Walking in mud: Remarkable Pleistocene human trackways from White Sands National Park (New Mexico), Quaternary Science Reviews * 2018 Bustos et al., Footprints preserve terminal Pleistocene hunt? Human-sloth interactions in North America, Supplmentary Materials, Science Advances * 2021 Rachal et al., Lake levels and trackways: An alternative model to explain the timing of human-megafauna trackway intersections, Tularosa Basin, New Mexico, Quaternary Science Advances * 2021 Bennett et al., Evidence of humans in North Americaduring the Last Glacial Maximum, Science * 2020 Ardelean et al., Evidence of human occupation in Mexico around the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature Links * Earliest evidence of human activity in the Americas found at White Sands National Park [https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210923161340.htm] * Oldest human footprints in North America found [https://indiancountrytoday.com/news/oldest-human-footprints-in-north-america-found] * The White Sands discovery only confirms what Indigenous people have said all along [https://www.hcn.org/articles/indigenous-affairs-archaeology-the-white-sands-discovery-only-confirms-what-indigenous-people-have-said-all-along?fbclid=IwAR3haRay4Xwi3U76LoGDkeFekVxsQCdqdYgjArdpsSm7uqirTD319hS0ofk] Contact * Email: alifeinruinspodcast@gmail.com * Instagram: @alifeinruinspodcast [https://www.instagram.com/alifeinruinspodcast] * Facebook: @alifeinruinspodcast [https://www.facebook.com/alifeinruinspodcast] * Twitter: @alifeinruinspod [https://www.twitter.com/alifeinruinspod] * Website: www.alifeinruins.com [https://www.alifeinruins.com/] * Ruins on APN: https://www.archaeologypodcastnetwork.com/ruins * Store: