This week, Natasha chatted with Alex about ego, how recent news from Sam Bankman-Fried and Elizabeth Holmes gives us a window into how it works, and impacts on the tech and venture landscape.

We talked about:

• What Holmes and Bankman-Fried have in common, from centralized ownership to a cult of personality
• The differences between the two entrepreneurs, and why their stories tend to blur together
• How Adam Neumann, Elon Musk and others fit into the conversation
• Learning lessons from startups from a chaotic, and main-character-driven year

We have a lot of really fun stuff coming up in the next week or two. Thanks for sticking with Equity in 2022, and we cannot wait for 2023.

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