The Ministry for Regulation is reviewing the early childhood education sector .. and two of the big players are at odds over what's needed. Early Childhood Council, which represents private providers, wants a major overhaul of early learning rules, including ending pay parity and minimum teacher numbers. Kindergartens Aotearoa says that will drive down quaility and teacher pay Joining us now to discuss this are Amanda Coulston from Kindergartens Aotearoa and Early Childhood Council chief executive Simon Laube.