The coronavirus experience is unprecedented in our time for leaders. How do we make our way through the uncertainty and fear? Transformational leadership expert Barry Pogorel and I talk about there is no ‘going back to normal’. We need instead to create a new normal. This offers huge opportunities! In our energising and uplifting conversation, we get down to brass tacks on what leaders need to do to start crafting their own new normal. 👉🏼 Want to share you experience? Ask a question? Share a resource? Jump on our podcast Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/zoerouthpodcast/ Why you should listen: *If you need to know where to start in dealing with uncertainty and acknowledge what is here right now *To understand why taking a stand is the most powerful thing you can do to catalyse a new possible future *To recognise the power of questions to drive new possibilities We explore: *The Leadership Crisis - what is contributing to the challenges *Authenticity and integrity - requirements for effective action *Deep listening as a core part of overcoming the leadership crisis *** SHOWNOTES: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/barrypogorel Books and resources mentioned: Language is the house of the truth of Being - Letter on Humanism (1947) by Martin Heidegger Letters to a Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke Antifragile - Things that gain from disorder by Nassim Nicholas Taleb https://www.amazon.com/Antifragile-Things-That-Disorder-Incerto/dp/0812979680/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=antifragile&qid=1584490342&sr=8-1 Deep Listening by Oscar Trimboli https://www.amazon.com/s?k=deep+listening+oscar+trimboli&crid=LRW3XL1NVEWI&sprefix=deep+listening+oscar%2Caps%2C443&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_20 The Wright Brothers by David McCullogh https://www.amazon.com/Wright-Brothers-David-McCullough/dp/1476728755/ref=sr_1_1?crid=136QTQ3Y84ZB7&keywords=david%20mccullough%20wright%20brothers%20book&qid=1584490569&sprefix=david%20mccullogh%2Caps%2C369&sr=8-1 About Barry: Barry Pogorel is a catalyst for breakthrough performance. 40 years coaching and training over 10,000 leaders worldwide has given him a unique opportunity to discover and systematize a sophisticated, rigorous, transformational coaching method to enable leaders to achieve the impossible. Barry’s first career was as a painter, exhibiting in New York and Los Angeles, including showing a body of his work at the Whitney Museum of American Art. A lifelong student and thinker, he became fascinated with the process of creativity itself and the nature of breakthrough performance in any given field. He began studying ontological philosophy, complex systems science, linguistics, and neuroscience. Around 1980, Barry shifted his primary focus to leadership coaching and development through the discipline of transformational learning. Barry’s clients include leaders of Deluxe Film Laboratories (“Color by Deluxe”), Atlantic Records, Microsoft, Starwood Hotels, Broadcom, and The Wall Street Journal. He resides in Culver City, California. *** Related Episodes: How to evolve your leadership maturity https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/mature E88 - Stop burnout now! There is a better way https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/stopburnout E121 - Go forward every day but make sure you take the lesson - Rachel Hind https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/rachelhind *** About your podcast host, Zoë Routh: Zoë Routh is one of Australia’s leading experts on people stuff - the stuff that gets in our way of producing results, and the stuff that lights us up. She works with the growers, makers, builders to make people stuff fun and practical. Zoë is the author of three books: 'Composure - How centered leaders make the biggest impact', 'Moments - Leadership when it matters most' and 'Loyalty - Stop unwanted staff turnover, boost engagement, and build lifelong advocates." Zoë is also the producer of the Zoë Routh Leadership Podcast. www.zoerouth.com