This week, Francis speaks with defense journalist and subject-matter expert on drone warfare Kelsey Atherton (@athertonkd) to discuss the history of drone warfare, its current manifestations, and what new sorts of machines we can expect to see as the technology of distributed, long-distance warfare becomes more and more common.

Read Kelsey’s writing on Substack here: https://athertonkd.substack.com/

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