Hello!

Today’s subscriber episode is a wide-ranging conversation Asad Haider, one of the founding editors of Viewpoint Magazine and the author of Mistaken Identity: Race and Class in the Age of Trump. Jay talked to Asad about his concept of “depoliticization,” his book on identity politics, and political exhaustion.

*- note from Jay: When we started the podcast, Asad was at the top of the list of guests I wanted to invite onto the show. I was really excited to talk to him at length. Mistaken Identity was a very eye-opening book for me to read and everyone should read it, although with these recent pieces.

On Depoliticization, in Viewpoint.

Emancipation and Exhaustion, in Saaganthology

Dismissal, in The Point.

And a little housekeeping: we tried something different with the audio levels for this one, so please let us know if it sounds better.

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