George Pell, who died last week in Rome aged 81, was a towering figure in the Catholic church and Australian political life. But for many ordinary Australians, he epitomised the church’s inability to effectively and compassionately deal with victims and survivors of child sexual abuse by Catholic clergy. In this episode of Full Story, Jane Lee talks to David Marr about how Pell gained and wielded power and influence over his lifetime and how he should be remembered