On his new album "Gold In a Brass Age", David Gray's voice still sounds as glorious, distinct and beautiful as it did when he broke through the mainstream with 1998's "White Ladder". But the sounds surrounding Gray's voice, both natural and digital, have grown like ivy winding over bricks, adding depth and color to his songs in new ways. That's thanks in large part to the sophisticated imagination and detailed devotion of producer Ben de Vries, who joins Gray in the live performances sprinkled throughout this interview. Gray's last release was a "Best Of" record in 2016. He tells the Cafe's Talia Schlanger about how curating that collection influenced the creative process on his latest record. And Gray discusses his first artistic career – as a painter, and how extremely nervous he used to get about showing his art.