In the late 1700s, a group of British sailors who had shipwrecked during a conflict with Spain turned back up in England, telling a harrowing tale of survival and heroism. But months later, another group of men, from the same ship, also made it back home... and had a very different tale to tell. They claimed the first group of survivors were really murderous mutineers. Author David Grann chronicles this wild, true tale in his new book, The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder. He joins us to discuss the book, plus the new Martin Scorsese adaptation of his bestseller Killers of the Flower Moon, which stars Leonardo DiCaprio.