Estefania was always close to her dad, but lately their relationship has been strained. Thanks to the Black Lives Matter demonstrations, they’ve been talking more about race and racism. It’s become clear they don’t see the issues the same way. Also, social justice doula who helps people put into practice their anti-racism gives Estefania and the rest of us the vocabulary that can lead to more honest conversations with loved ones.

Our expert on this episode is Lutze Segu, Social Justice Doula. Lutze facilitates racial justice workshops, provide strategic HR consulting for organizations, and offer feminist coaching to individuals. 

You can visit Lutze's website here. If you loved this episode, be sure to check out Parents Might Be Spreading Fake News and How to Warn Mom about COVID-19 from Afar.

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