After avoiding it for years, Gaby finally deep dives into cryptocurrency and NFTs. This week, they talk to programmer Stefan Thomas, a man made famous for being locked out of his crypto wallet worth 200 million dollars. Stefan breaks down the origins of crypto and why his problem is not a bug but a feature. Then, Gaby speaks to NFT artist Klara Vollstaedt about the hype market around digital art, the difference between Bored Apes and non-fungible token fine art, and how the money moves circularly within the NFT space. Who decided the Mona Lisa has value? Plus, the trans ideal of controlling your perception online, the young people making tons of money off natively digital art, and how all of that merges with the futurism of art and money. For a full transcript of this episode, visit: https://bit.ly/3xoxTAv Gaby Dunn Instagram: @GabyRoad BWM Instagram: @bwmpod BWM Facebook group: http://tinyurl.com/badwithmoneyfb The BWM Discord channel: https://discord.gg/dAdxj4JMER Find Gaby on Patreon: patreon.com/gabydunn Shop gabydunn.com/shop for merch! Bad with Money is produced, edited, sound engineered and mixed by Elif Geris. The theme song was performed by Sam Barbara and written by Myq Kaplan, Zach Sherwin, and Jack Dolgen. Additional music by Joey Salvia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy