In recent weeks, the Caliphate podcast produced by the New York Times has attracted controversy after its main source was arrested on terrorism hoax charges in Canada, raising questions about how journalists should report on the the so-called War on Terror.

On this week’s episode of Southeast Asia Dispatches, New Naratif talks to Noor Huda Ismail, a former member of Darul Islam, and a social entrepreneur, film maker and scholar. Having narrowly avoided a life of radicalisation, Noor Huda founded the Institute for International Peace Building, and runs a number of deradicalisation programmes that focus on deradicalisation through narrative stories and credible voices.