In this first episode of S4, Clemmie is joined by the wonderfully eloquent Camilla Thurlow as they talk on the topic of courage. Clemmie speaks to Camilla about her experience of courage, ranging from her career as an Explosive Ordnance Disposal expert to a reality star on the hit TV series Love Island - both places Camilla was out of her comfort zone in. They chat about the nuance between self confidence and courage as well as mental health playing a factor in our ability to be courageous.