Now that a jury has convicted Derek Chauvin on three counts for the death of George Floyd, are we in a different chapter of America’s conversation about police and use of force? Today, hear from activists from activists from Grand Rapids to Detroit, and we talk through what the verdict means with a couple of people who closely follow the legal and social forces in play. GUESTS: Tracey Brame, associate dean at Western Michigan University’s Cooley Law School, director of the WMU Innocence Project Jennifer Cobbina, associate professor at Michigan State University’s School of Criminal Justice Looking for more conversations from Stateside? Right this way. If you like what you hear on the pod, consider supporting our work. Stateside’s theme music is by 14KT. Additional music by Blue Dot Sessions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.