On the menu this week, Anna Jones and Katerina Vittozzi explore the climate impact of meat and ask their guests: what's the beef with beef? They find out how much meat we’re eating in the UK and what needs to change, with behavioural scientist Cristina Stewart from the University of Oxford. And dairy farmer Abi Reader explains why meat shouldn’t be taken off the table. Last but not least Ella Mills, also known as Deliciously Ella, shares the ingredients of her vegan lifestyle. She tells us her tips on how to make gradual changes and enjoy plant-based meals while playing a part in fighting climate change.Hosts: Anna Jones and Katerina Vittozzi Guests: Ella Mills of Deliciously Ella, Cristina Stewart, Abi ReaderPodcast Producer: Emma Rae WoodhouseInterviews Producer: Tatiana Alderson