In this excerpt from the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance discuss former President Donald Trump’s motions to dismiss the criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith in the election interference case. In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss: – The ABC News report that, months ago, Smith granted former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows immunity, which cleared the way for Meadows to testify before a D.C. grand jury; – Trump’s $10,000 fine for violating a gag order in the New York civil fraud case for a second time; and – Michael Cohen’s testimony at Trump’s civil fraud trial in NY. Take the CAFE survey to help us plan for our future. Stay informed. For analysis of the most important legal and political issues of our time, become a member of CAFE Insider: www.cafe.com/insider. You’ll get access to full episodes of the podcast, and other exclusive content. This podcast is brought to you by CAFE Studios and Vox Media Podcast Network.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices