In this bitesize episode from June 2022, Clemmie talks optimism with former Labour Party leader Ed Miliband, who is now Shadow Secretary of State for Climate Change. Ed tells Clemmie how he coped when Labour lost the 2015 election, why optimism was key, and how and why he came to the decision to step down as leader. They also talk about Ed's book, GO BIG, which was out in paperback in March. GO BIG tackles some of the big questions around our future and the way our society and democracy works, as well as timely topics such as paid parental leave and climate change. As well as his Parliamentary work, Ed is the co-host of popular current affairs podcast ‘Reasons to be Cheerful’ with Geoff Lloyd. The pod explores the ideas, people and movements that are pioneering change worldwide. Follow Clemmie on Instagram @Clemmie_Telford and check out more podcast content @butwhy_podcast. And you can find out more about Ed here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices